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Tom Belt's avatar

Thank you for this Bradford.

I don’t disagree with Hart’s moral modal argument. As a universalist I’ve defended it. I think it’s irrefutable.

I would suggest however that your P13 as stated is false. 'Irrevocable' suffering as a final state – yes, that’s the problem. But clearly (clearly enough to me) not all suffering is evil. Some transient suffering can be instrumental, redemptive, therapeutic, pedagogical. So if P13 means ‘suffering’ simpliciter, I'd see that as a problem. At the very least, the distinction I'm suggesting doesn't undermine the moral argument.

Tom

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倪神父's avatar

Bradford, this is Fr. Rooney. I responded two years ago to Hart's argument on Facebook, offering a similar reconstruction to that you propose (although much more streamlined and logically perspicuous) and noting that the first premise is unmotivated and ought to be rejected. In your reconstruction, I believe that roughly corresponds to rejecting premise 15. It does not follow that, if someone is eternally damned, God directly wills rather than merely permits their damnation.

In addition to that chief logical move to reject the argument's conclusion, I'd reject premise 13. Suffering is not an intrinsic but an accidental evil and so it does not follow that if God intends suffering He intends a per se evil. Further, I think many of the claims made about the eschaton are likewise false and rely on equivocation, but I don't see that they prove much in the way of supporting that premise 15.

You can find my recent resharing of that post, but there were a few others in this series.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16Tao5Rxez/

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